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		<title>Comment on Leave Kim Kardashian Alone by cricri83</title>
		<link>http://www.socialjusticeleague.net/2011/12/leave-kim-kardashian-alone/#comment-2804</link>
		<dc:creator>cricri83</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 May 2013 16:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great article Rachel! I am big advocate for leaving Kim alone and it breaks my heart that we live in a society that is so judgmental and hypocrate!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article Rachel! I am big advocate for leaving Kim alone and it breaks my heart that we live in a society that is so judgmental and hypocrate!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Revolution Will Not Be Polite: The Issue of Nice versus Good by Connie</title>
		<link>http://www.socialjusticeleague.net/2012/04/the-revolution-will-not-be-polite-the-issue-of-nice-versus-good/#comment-2786</link>
		<dc:creator>Connie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 May 2013 07:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Typically, when I get accused of using a “tone” argument, I’m not making an argument at all; I’m really just saying, “You’re being rude, and this conversation has become unpleasant. Please be more civil, or I’m not interested in talking to you any more.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s still derailing. If you want out of a conversation, that&#039;s your own prerogative, but by responding to substantive argument with &quot;You&#039;re being rude&quot; doesn&#039;t actually address the argument itself. The tone of an argument might make you less willing to engage with that argument emotionally but if you can already acknowledge that, then the choice is on you whether or not you want to engage. If you want to engage, then you push past that. If you don&#039;t, then don&#039;t. &quot;I&#039;d engage with this if you were nicer&quot; is attempting to absolve yourself of personality responsibility in these conversations. 

Additionally, people usually start getting &quot;rude&quot; when they&#039;ve already exhausted their supply of social niceties and civilly-worded rational arguments, and the person in question is Just Not Getting It. 

The additional implication is that marginalised people always need to be &quot;nice&quot; to their oppressors - who are usually the ones being bigoted. Marginalised people are not activists 24/7 and it is not their job to be. When a bigoted person has said something hurtful, it is not a marginalised person&#039;s responsibility to suppress their anger and turn the event into a &quot;teaching moment&quot; for the bigot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Typically, when I get accused of using a “tone” argument, I’m not making an argument at all; I’m really just saying, “You’re being rude, and this conversation has become unpleasant. Please be more civil, or I’m not interested in talking to you any more.”</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s still derailing. If you want out of a conversation, that&#8217;s your own prerogative, but by responding to substantive argument with &#8220;You&#8217;re being rude&#8221; doesn&#8217;t actually address the argument itself. The tone of an argument might make you less willing to engage with that argument emotionally but if you can already acknowledge that, then the choice is on you whether or not you want to engage. If you want to engage, then you push past that. If you don&#8217;t, then don&#8217;t. &#8220;I&#8217;d engage with this if you were nicer&#8221; is attempting to absolve yourself of personality responsibility in these conversations. </p>
<p>Additionally, people usually start getting &#8220;rude&#8221; when they&#8217;ve already exhausted their supply of social niceties and civilly-worded rational arguments, and the person in question is Just Not Getting It. </p>
<p>The additional implication is that marginalised people always need to be &#8220;nice&#8221; to their oppressors &#8211; who are usually the ones being bigoted. Marginalised people are not activists 24/7 and it is not their job to be. When a bigoted person has said something hurtful, it is not a marginalised person&#8217;s responsibility to suppress their anger and turn the event into a &#8220;teaching moment&#8221; for the bigot.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Revolution Will Not Be Polite: The Issue of Nice versus Good by Readthroughs and Randoms</title>
		<link>http://www.socialjusticeleague.net/2012/04/the-revolution-will-not-be-polite-the-issue-of-nice-versus-good/#comment-2785</link>
		<dc:creator>Readthroughs and Randoms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 May 2013 10:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Word combining to make new insults has been a hobby of mine for YEARS. Personal favourites have been assclown, douchecanoe, fuckmonkey, 

I&#039;m so glad I&#039;m not the only person who does this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Word combining to make new insults has been a hobby of mine for YEARS. Personal favourites have been assclown, douchecanoe, fuckmonkey, </p>
<p>I&#8217;m so glad I&#8217;m not the only person who does this.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Revolution Will Not Be Polite: The Issue of Nice versus Good by An even bigger &#8230; &#124; I&#039;m Such an AFROholic</title>
		<link>http://www.socialjusticeleague.net/2012/04/the-revolution-will-not-be-polite-the-issue-of-nice-versus-good/#comment-2784</link>
		<dc:creator>An even bigger &#8230; &#124; I&#039;m Such an AFROholic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 16:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on At the Movies by q____q@</title>
		<link>http://www.socialjusticeleague.net/2012/09/at-the-movies/#comment-2783</link>
		<dc:creator>q____q@</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Apr 2013 17:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, for the reply. I hoped this might be not as problematic as The Help, I think I&#039;ll give it a try.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, for the reply. I hoped this might be not as problematic as The Help, I think I&#8217;ll give it a try.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Revolution Will Not Be Polite: The Issue of Nice versus Good by Social Justice Fail&#8230; &#124; Has The World Changed or Have I Changed?</title>
		<link>http://www.socialjusticeleague.net/2012/04/the-revolution-will-not-be-polite-the-issue-of-nice-versus-good/#comment-2782</link>
		<dc:creator>Social Justice Fail&#8230; &#124; Has The World Changed or Have I Changed?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Apr 2013 02:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] make them any less harmful. &#8220;Good intention&#8221; without attention to result is an empty nicety, and that is just as much of a problem as direct hostility. It&#8217;s a real question of &#8220;How then can we know what we don&#8217;t know?&#8221; The [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] make them any less harmful. &#8220;Good intention&#8221; without attention to result is an empty nicety, and that is just as much of a problem as direct hostility. It&#8217;s a real question of &#8220;How then can we know what we don&#8217;t know?&#8221; The [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on How to be a fan of problematic things by goldenboy62</title>
		<link>http://www.socialjusticeleague.net/2011/09/how-to-be-a-fan-of-problematic-things/#comment-2781</link>
		<dc:creator>goldenboy62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Apr 2013 01:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Glen Cook&#039;s The Black Company, comes pretty close. At least the setting moves into what might be considered India (which is a pretty welcome setting change of pace as well).  Then people from that region become some of the major players.  It&#039;s pretty cool, and thus will probably never get the Hollywood treatment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glen Cook&#8217;s The Black Company, comes pretty close. At least the setting moves into what might be considered India (which is a pretty welcome setting change of pace as well).  Then people from that region become some of the major players.  It&#8217;s pretty cool, and thus will probably never get the Hollywood treatment.</p>
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		<title>Comment on At the Movies by Caphesuada</title>
		<link>http://www.socialjusticeleague.net/2012/09/at-the-movies/#comment-2779</link>
		<dc:creator>Caphesuada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2013 11:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think that is certainly a valid reading of the film and definitely worth bringing up. The manager is white and he does in some ways help the women &quot;reach their potential&quot;. There are so few films about these kind of characters so it is sad from a representation point of view that we don&#039;t have more examples in popular media of POC building their own futures without the assistance of white characters.

For me personally I felt that this film showed a) That it was because of systematic oppression that having a white manager was helpful, not because the POC lacked intelligence/resilience etc. and that b) the manager is often wrong and the butt of quite a few jokes. For me that made his character far less objectionable and less problematic, but obviously ymmv and I might be missing something. 

I also think that the character is possibly more of a part of the advertising because Chris O&#039;Dowd is more famous internationally. Which yeah, also pretty problematic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that is certainly a valid reading of the film and definitely worth bringing up. The manager is white and he does in some ways help the women &#8220;reach their potential&#8221;. There are so few films about these kind of characters so it is sad from a representation point of view that we don&#8217;t have more examples in popular media of POC building their own futures without the assistance of white characters.</p>
<p>For me personally I felt that this film showed a) That it was because of systematic oppression that having a white manager was helpful, not because the POC lacked intelligence/resilience etc. and that b) the manager is often wrong and the butt of quite a few jokes. For me that made his character far less objectionable and less problematic, but obviously ymmv and I might be missing something. </p>
<p>I also think that the character is possibly more of a part of the advertising because Chris O&#8217;Dowd is more famous internationally. Which yeah, also pretty problematic.</p>
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		<title>Comment on At the Movies by q____q</title>
		<link>http://www.socialjusticeleague.net/2012/09/at-the-movies/#comment-2778</link>
		<dc:creator>q____q</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2013 11:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, I&#039;m really late for this. 

Haven&#039;t seen the movie (yet) but from the trailer this looks like another case of White Man&#039;s Burden (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WhiteMansBurden), where a white character (in this case the manager?) helps the poor, oppressed PoC to rebel/realize their full potential (which is nice for the white audience, because they can identify with the nice white person and does not have to reflect if they might at least partly have something in common with all the racists white characters) but this is of course also very problematic because it also totally undermines the agency of the PoC characters. The Help (2011) was another recent example of this trope (where white pixie dream girl helps the poor black household helps to do something against their situation).

As someone who has actually seen the film I&#039;d like your opinion on this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I&#8217;m really late for this. </p>
<p>Haven&#8217;t seen the movie (yet) but from the trailer this looks like another case of White Man&#8217;s Burden (<a href="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WhiteMansBurden" rel="nofollow">http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WhiteMansBurden</a>), where a white character (in this case the manager?) helps the poor, oppressed PoC to rebel/realize their full potential (which is nice for the white audience, because they can identify with the nice white person and does not have to reflect if they might at least partly have something in common with all the racists white characters) but this is of course also very problematic because it also totally undermines the agency of the PoC characters. The Help (2011) was another recent example of this trope (where white pixie dream girl helps the poor black household helps to do something against their situation).</p>
<p>As someone who has actually seen the film I&#8217;d like your opinion on this.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is Thor a feminist movie? (Yes) by ooberkits</title>
		<link>http://www.socialjusticeleague.net/2011/09/is-thor-a-feminist-movie-yes/#comment-2777</link>
		<dc:creator>ooberkits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Apr 2013 17:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that a lot of the credit for this goes to Branagh for his direction, but I think that J. Michael Straczynski deserves a ton of credit for his writing as well. If you look at his writing for Babylon 5 and other works, strong female characters abound.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that a lot of the credit for this goes to Branagh for his direction, but I think that J. Michael Straczynski deserves a ton of credit for his writing as well. If you look at his writing for Babylon 5 and other works, strong female characters abound.</p>
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